Degree or Experience? Exploring Interior Design Credentials with Jon Otis and Listener Feedback

In a recent episode, Doug asked a question that sparked considerable discussion: should a college degree be mandatory for the NCIDQ exam, or if work experience and apprenticeships be adequate? Responding to insightful listener feedback, Doug invited Jon Otis, a distinguished figure in interior design advocacy and a Professor, to explore the issue further. The feedback varied; some listeners supported alternative licensure paths for their diversity and affordability, while others advocated for the necessity of a bachelor's degree due to the rigor of formal education. This sparked a broader conversation between Doug and Jon about the merits of formal education versus learning through experience.

Do you have a hot take? Email Doug at with your opinions on the NCIDQ degree requirements.


  • Doug Shapiro
  • Jon Otis
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